An Attempted Dialogue With Those Who Blindly Defend Officer Jeronimo Yanez…

(Aka “Defending The Indefensible” Dept.)

EDITOR’S NOTE: We made the decision to make the photo of Philando Castile in his final moments as the featured image for this article because we believe that it is important that people see the results of this tragedy first hand. We hope that readers take the time to understand and empathize with communities of color who live with the fear of this happening to them. We send our condolences to the family of Mr. Castile. [Jaded Politics]

I have made no secret over the years about a general ambivalence I have for the law enforcement community. I want to stipulate at the outset that there are a lot of good cops out there. However, there are also a lot more bad apples than those who reflexively leap to defend the law enforcement community care to admit.

For those who wonder why I am not a rah rah cheerleader for law enforcement, I have my reasons. One is the wide-scale prevalence of civil asset forfeiture abuse.{1} Another is situations like this where there is the kind of presumption of guilt apriori based on flimsy evidences. In this case, a camera caught it but how often has there never been a camera there in these sorts of situations?

Now I expected the usual suspects to poo poo calls for law enforcement reform and to dismiss this as a nothingburger. I was also prepared for them to try and pretend stuff like this rarely happens as I am not fooled a bit by them.

However, I was admittedly surprised by the degree to which some wore their blinders on these matters, even people who I have generally agreed with. I was going to write an expository musing on this but it seemed upon additional reflection that it would be better to construct this as a dialogue where I answered specific objections directly in other communications mediums. So that is what I will do here -all bolded parts are actual statements from actual people. My responses to them will be in regular font and other than removing the names and tweaking a few parts to address folks in general rather than specific persons, the text remains more or less as raw and unfiltered as when it was originally written. Without further ado, let us get to it now…

The gun was in his lap and he was told not to move when he was reaching for his “wallet.” They don’t show you that footage either.

So lets see, he was informing an officer that he was armed (which you are supposed to do by the way), then was told to produce his license while being told not to move. Most folks carry their license in their wallet so if he does not get his wallet, how can he comply with the ID request? Simple: he cannot. So he either does not get the license (and thus does not comply with the officers request and can be arrested in Minnesota) or he attempts to comply with the request and gets shot. Yeah that sounds like a wonderful winning situation to be in!

That’s not what happened.

That’s HER side and they weren’t asking for his license they were telling him not to move

Don’t worry she’ll cash in on this shit just like Michael Brown’s parents did.

I have never heard of an officer that does not ask for license and registration when they pull someone over. (And every time I have ever been pulled over in my life, it has been the first question the officer asked me.) Asking a pulled over motorist for license and proof of insurance (or registration in states where the latter is not on the front window) is as standard a protocol as there is. But I love how in this case you claim it is “her story.” No, its standard procedure.

I also find it interesting that you immediately equate him and his family with Michael Brown and his parents. I suppose we are supposed to interpret that as “they all look alike” and therefore “they all act alike” too.

He did ask for it then he saw the gun. That’s where it went downhill

And since you can be arrested for not providing your drivers license to an officer who requests it upon a stop, what was he supposed to do? The mere fact that he told the officer he had the weapon is evidence he did not intend to use it because if he did, he would not have told the officer he had the gun to begin with.

There was no evidence he offered any resistance, there was no evidence that he was hostile, there was no evidence that he even that he had complained about being pulled over for a ticky tack matter like an out tail light. None of this fits the profile of someone who in possessing a firearm intends to use said firearm.

A jury heard ALL of the facts and he was acquitted.

Juries mess up all the time.

Facts which I’m sure aren’t public knowledge thanks to the liberal media.

Yes yes here it comes…derr libuuural merrrdia! Predictable. And frankly pathetic.

Their little protest didn’t get very far either because it doesn’t benefit any of the puppeteers

Oh yes, they MUST be puppeteers because the all holy officers of the law NEVER fuck up and shoot someone they should not. My bad.

There’s like 1% of police who are assholes and want to shoot someone. Sorry but this guy isn’t one of them.

There are a LOT more bad apples out there than just 1%.

Especially with all that black lives matter bull shit. Do you really think most cops want that kind of attention? Being made out to be a villain then losing their jobs? It’s ridiculous.

Black Lives Matter have NOTHING to do with this.

but how many cops are shot everyday

The answer to that is probably not what one might think.{2}

And yeah really good man. Driving around high with a 4 year old in the backseat. Model citizen right there.

Translation: He deserved to get shot.

Is that what you are saying?

You can be arrested in Minnesota for refusing to show an officer your drivers license when he pulls you over. The officer asked for drivers license and proof of insurance/registration not because the woman in the car said so but because that’s what all officers do.{3} Plus, in Minnesota it is against the law not to produce them when asked.{4}

So getting back to the situation here, he gave the officer the insurance proof and before getting the license informed the officer that he was carrying. (When you have a carry permit, you are supposed to do that.) So rather than get arrested for failing to produce the drivers license, he sought to get the latter and gets shot for his efforts not once but seven times!

Look, I knew that there would be some of the usual cop worshipping suspects who would poo poo this or make excuses for it to try and spin this as part of their “cops are always right” nonsense. Heck, I even noted it in the first comment above! So that its being done here is not a surprise. However, there were some irrelevant tangents so lets stipulate something right now.

Lets stipulate that they are correct, that he is not a really good man as you say. Lets stipulate that he was high which is the officers claim. Of course if we are going to dismiss the woman’s claims as this person did, why should we so readily accept the officers claim? But that aside for a moment, lets stipulate that he was high and driving with a four year old in the backseat. Lets stipulate all of that for a moment okay?

The bottom line is still: it does not matter if he was or was not a model citizen or if he was in many ways a defective human being, HE STILL DID NOT DESERVE TO BE SHOT BY A DUMBASS COP WITH AN ITCHY TRIGGER FINGER.

But I know I know, he deserved it because he is no different than Michael Brown (dem blacks are all alike after all!) and of course if the girlfriend tries to do anything to get justice out of this then she is no different than Michael Brown’s parents. Because again, dem blacks are all alike and its NEVER the cops fault for anything, right?

And just FYI, “poor Diamond Reynolds” has a long arrest record herself. That child’s future was already in jeopardy. Philando should have followed clear instructions given by Officer Yanez, and there would not have been a shooting, she would not have had to witness that.

Now we have some good old ad hominem fallacy to throw into the mix. Remember folks, its always the motorist who is at fault never the all holy spotless law enforcement! Even if Reynolds did have a long arrest record, somehow its not possible in this person’s mind that Reynolds could have been on the receiving end of an injustice. Why? The reader can come to their own conclusions on that.

Since this person thinks Officer Yanez was so spotless apparently, what was the reason Officer Yanez pulled Philando Castile over again? Yanez said later it was for a tail light but that’s not what an audio recording at the time said:

“I’m going to stop a car. I’m going to check IDs. I have reason to pull it over. The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just ’cause of the wide set nose.”

In other words, it was a variation of “dem blacks all look alike so I am gonna pull this guy over just because his nose looks like someone else’s.” Everything else said by the officer after that point was just attempting to cover his own ass, plain and simple.

And to return to the claim that Diamond Reynolds had a long arrest record, as usual there are factors here which upon further examination hardly help this argument at all. Let us consider for a moment the issue of what are called “low level arrests” in the Minneapolis area where this shooting took place.

For those who do not know, a report was compiled after examining the demographics of the arrest data of the Minneapolis police department between January 1, 2012 and September 30, 2014. In examining 96,975 arrests, here is what was discovered as to the degree of low level arrests by race in the Minneapolis area:

In summarizing the data, the aforementioned report noted the following:

“These disparities become more disconcerting when you take into account the racial makeup of Minneapolis and compare with who was arrested for low-level offenses from January 1, 2012, to September 30, 2014. White people make up 64 percent of the city’s population but only 23 percent of low-level arrests. Black people make up only 19 percent of the city’s population but accounted for 59 percent of the low-level arrests, the majority of which are clustered in predominantly Black neighborhoods in North and South Minneapolis that surround the city center. This disparity contributes to longstanding mistrust between communities of color and the Minneapolis Police Department.”

So even if the claim that Reynolds had long arrest record was correct, the fact that she is part of a race that is significantly more likely to be arrested for low level crimes in Minneapolis by the police department’s own statistical admission mitigates strongly against raising Reynolds’ presumptively long arrest record in this or any other context.

The cop had some paper work in his hand and was trying to read it .he didn’t get to the gun or ccw or drivers licence yet. He first informed him about brake lights being out

You mean the motorist had not handed over the license yet right? Yes, it was in his wallet, you know that thing he was reaching to get. Most folks keep their licenses in their wallets and since Philando Castile did not have The Force, he could not have complied with the request to produce it without using his hands. And he was asked for his license before the gun issue even came up according to none other than Officer Jeronimo Yanez himself:

“[Castile] was sitting in the car, seat belted. I told him, can I see your license. And then, he told me he had a firearm.” [Officer Jeronimo Yanez to St. Anthony Police Officer Tressa Sunde on July 6, 2016 at 9:12pm within minutes of the shooting]

To listen to many folks, Philando Castile either should have not complied with the license request and thus left in a cop car or sought to comply and left in a body bag. He should have had a third option available to him that day; namely, drive away from the site. None of them bothered to explain yet in their attempts to rationalize this away how Philando would have been able to leave in his own car from the stop.

Seriously, why is it so hard for many folks to just admit that this cop fucked up and fucked up bad? Is it because Philando Castile was black and the 2nd Amendment is a “whites only” amendment? I am really starting to think that many folks actually believe that regardless of what they may claim to the contrary. Because when you take this down to brass tacks, that is what their positions logically entail.


{1} A Solution For Dealing With Civil Asset Forfeiture Abuse

{2} “According to the Officer Down memorial page there were 63 officers killed in 2016 due to deliberate gunfire and one via stabbing. So the actual mathematical answer to that question is .175 out of a total estimated 765,000 sworn personnel. In other words, a cop has a daily chance of being shot of 2.29 x 10^-5 percent chance of being shot. That means in a 30 year career a cop has a whopping .317% chance of being shot.” [Jon Book]

{3} Based on the 50 odd times I have been pulled over in my life, that is what happened all 50 odd times without a single exception!

{4} “Minnesota law requires drivers to produce their license, and insurance card upon demand of a police officer. If your documents are out of reach, tell the officer where they are before you reach for them.” [City of St. Peter: What to Expect When Stopped by Police under the section Things To Do When Stopped Viewable HERE]


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